Proud Premie Ji -:- So what that we love Maharaji -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 21:42:26 (EST)

__ Proud -:- WHAT ABOUT BLISS? -:- Tues, Feb 26, 2002 at 00:05:04 (EST)

__ __ Dermot -:- Re: WHAT ABOUT BLISS??? -:- Tues, Feb 26, 2002 at 00:21:39 (EST)

__ Gail -:- Re: So what that the Cult is leaving you -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 15:06:31 (EST)

__ Gail -:- Re: So what that we love Maharaji -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 15:00:54 (EST)

__ wolfie -:- too many satgurus -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 11:15:18 (EST)

__ Mirror -:- Re: Devotion -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 06:37:30 (EST)

__ janet -:- Re: he doesnt deserve it -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 04:46:44 (EST)

__ Thelma the Church lady -:- By his grace, that's just so precious [nt] -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 04:42:58 (EST)

__ Loaf -:- I think your feelings are really beautiful -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 03:38:21 (EST)

__ __ ChrisP -:- To Premie Ji: -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 14:23:07 (EST)

__ __ __ gerry -:- ****Best Of**** nice post, ChrisP [nt] -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 20:37:51 (EST)

__ Jethro -:- Just two questions -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 22:51:54 (EST)

__ __ Another PPJ -:- So why do you call yourself Jethro? -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 22:56:30 (EST)

__ __ __ Jethro -:- FYI -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:10:18 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Jethro -:- PS to another PPJ -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:14:11 (EST)

__ Jethro -:- If you were really THAT proud -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 22:47:51 (EST)

__ __ This is totally -:- beyond belief!!! -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:01:47 (EST)

__ __ __ Jethro -:- You must learn to -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:12:16 (EST)

__ __ __ __ A completely realised PPJ -:- errr...right Edd... umm..Jethro -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:26:03 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- WOW 3 premies in one night! -:- Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:44:49 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ CRPJ -:- Re: WOW 3 premies in one night! -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:09:17 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- to CRPJ -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 03:37:50 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ I am guilty by ommission? -:- In that case... -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 07:38:03 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Jethro, you're talking to David Roupell -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 04:53:42 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Re: Jethro, you're talking to David Roupell -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 07:31:02 (EST)

Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 21:42:26 (EST)
From: Proud Premie Ji
Email: None
To: All
Subject: So what that we love Maharaji
Message:

Anybody can love Maharaji. New people can learn to love him. The master teaches about the bond between the student and the teacher; it's perfectly normal to love Maharaji, even if from afar, even if I will never met him. He gave me the knowledge of all knowledges, he is my friend, well, so I think he is.

I'm appalled to read what you think about my master. I'm a old premie. I received K in the 70s. To me Maharaji is much more than just a meditation teacher, as he may be fpr the new premies. To me Maharaji is everything. He is the Lord. The devotion I feel for him cannot be described, and yes, we old premies are fortunate to see him that way. Too provocative? Yes. I would kiss his feet anytime. I'm not worthy.

Now, you say here that all we premie feel in Maharaji's world we were programmed to feel it. In what way? I'm so happy to be a premie of the Lord of The Universe!!!

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Date: Tues, Feb 26, 2002 at 00:05:04 (EST)
From: Proud
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: WHAT ABOUT BLISS?
Message:

Isn't better to live our days smiling than empty? Because the only thing that fulfills my heaRT IS mAHARAJI'S BLISS.

NOTHING compares. How is it that it works? Power of suggestion then?

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Date: Tues, Feb 26, 2002 at 00:21:39 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Proud
Subject: Re: WHAT ABOUT BLISS???
Message:

Is it permanent or transient? Are you sure it is 'Maharajis' bliss? Isn't it YOURS?

And you do realise Sai babites, mormons,this, that and the others offer the same argument? Doesn't that make you think it's a subjective experience not brought on by the OBJECT of devotion but by each individuals response to their own makebelieve 'god', 'religion' or whatever or whoever they pour forth their devotion and dedication to?

Do you think some brain chemicals may be involved in all this, somehow or other.....and not MAHARAJI? :)

PS ......what's this "empty" stuff? People without Maharaji are empty, you mean? ...

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 15:06:31 (EST)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: Re: So what that the Cult is leaving you
Message:

You are on a sinking ship in the middle of the ocean of Maharaji's maya, my dear. As you have not clued in yet, let me help you. There is hardly anyone left. The broadcasts have been reduced in numbers. When do you get to see the Lard in person again?

People are seeing the light. Why not you. It is more gracious for you to leave the cult than to have the cult leave you, n'est pas?

All the best!

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 15:00:54 (EST)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: Re: So what that we love Maharaji
Message:

Your biggest problem, PPJ, is that you still believe he is the Lord. If he is, then everyone should bow down and pay homage. However, there is mounting evidence to prove he is not!

I felt just the way you do for about 36 hours after stumbling onto this site. I was around from August, 1974 to June, 1998. I did have these feelings but they weren't based upon anything as the facts on this site prove. We wanted to believe these fairy tales--so we did. We lost our sense of discrimination when it came to Maharaji and his trip. We lost our lives, too!

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 11:15:18 (EST)
From: wolfie
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: too many satgurus
Message:

Oh, maybe you are an idiot? I think at least, this would be better than to think you are not worthy.

In respect for your mental health, I think you are joking with what you wrote, if not, don't tell your Mom about it you would cause a lot of missunderstanding for her.

Hope you are joking, if not look for a true friend and talk about your 'Perfect Master Problem' Life is the same with or without Maharaji, the only difference is, there is one person less that bucks shouts and screams and I have to listen to.

Those were the days my friend we thought they never end, we sing and dance for ever and a day ...............wolfie

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 06:37:30 (EST)
From: Mirror
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: Re: Devotion
Message:

Anybody can love Maharaji.

Mind you, not just anybody! Only those who are willing to fit into the parameters that Maharaji sets. Only those who are willing to distrust their own inner guidance and are open to and in need of loving a master like Maharaji. It is safe to love him for as long as one believes that Maharaji is what one takes him to be. To insure this sense of safety, mind and intuition must be properly trained and conditioned, something both student and master work hard at. It takes enormous courage to outgrow this self willed conditioning. Maybe many of us never will. Growing is difficult, growing is painful. Sometimes reality is too scary, especially if we distrust ourselves. Many of us choose to dream and never wake up. I wish you sweet dreams. I wish you sweet awakenings. I wish you your own self to love first and foremost, in whatever form you choose. It is always your own choice, and no one can take that away from you. Every moment is a new opportunity to choose.

Mirror

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 04:46:44 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: Re: he doesnt deserve it
Message:

you are not a person to maharaji. he doesnt care about you for yourself.he doesnt value any individual for themselves. given the choice to spend the rest of his life on a desert island with you, he would think little of your company.
that aint love. that aint even like. in his case, its not even tolerance of the ordinary person.

what you call love is not love. real love is person to person, committed, knowing. he isnt committed to you. and you think you're commited to him, but the him you are committed to is your imagination of him. you don't know him as he really is, and he has gone to great lengths to be sure that you never do.

I once said what you say. i held on. i chased after him. i beleived. and he firmly and angrily pushed me farther and farther away, with the annoyance you display toward getting peanut butter off your hands, making it clear that he couldnt care less what i was, who i was, what i did, felt, thought, needed, knew.
it took me a long time to finally get it, but get it, I did.

notice how the real issue of this thread got hijacked into a pissing match between you and jethro, and conveniently went completely off of maharaji? notice how that handily pushed an equal number of important posts into the inactive bin and off the readable forum?
i noticed.
so, just to make sure this duscussion stays on the issue of maharaji and not on your pissing contest, i inserted this poignant commentary before the whole rest of the waste of space.

your love for him is no better than the teenager's obsession with cute rock stars. it's self hype. it isnt a real relationship. its all fantasy and escape.

they will never personally be known to their idols, never have a relationship with them, but will make them millionaires. in the process of clamoring. and imagining they have a relationship with them.

when you realize what the idol really thinks of being stuck with one of their fans, hopefully, it smacks you in the face. and you grow up, overnight.

oh-- and that knowledge he showed you? he doesnt use it, himself,. his daddy left a letter saying he wanted the family product to be sold by his sons after he died, so prem did what the old man asked him to.

aside from flying, its the only thing he knows how to do, to make a living., he didnt finish high school, after all, and has no career training, so any other line of work is unthinkable. and its pretty easy, just opening your mouth for an hour and blathering whatever pops into your head and collecting half a mil for it, and making a dvd aping the four things your old man showed you when you were 6 and witholding it from people until they swear their lives to you. piece of cake.

'that ain working! that's the way ya do it! money for nothing and your chicks for free'

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 04:42:58 (EST)
From: Thelma the Church lady
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: By his grace, that's just so precious [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 03:38:21 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: I think your feelings are really beautiful
Message:

and there is no.. BUT !

I like devotion.

Its simple, sweet, naive, trusting.. and all good qualities !

I think that the state of devotion is a very precious one.

Continue to enjoy it... it is expensive and beautiful.

I still have theose feelings. Precious and beyond price.

Good luck.

Loafie

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 14:23:07 (EST)
From: ChrisP
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: To Premie Ji:
Message:

Hi Premie Ji. I'm actually glad for you that you are deriving enjoyment from Knowledge and feeling gratitude to M. I say that because I felt the same beautiful feelings for many years as a premie. Actually, today would be my 28th anniversary of receiving K. Myself, not wanting to disturb that nice experience, I never bothered to read EPO for a long time.

'I'm appalled to read what you think about my master.'
So what do I think now? I gradually became disillusioned with the cult-like tactics of the organization around Mj as well as the unnecessary personality idolization (I thought a little less arrogance would greatly suit him, even if he is the master). Over the last year, a series of unanswered questions (I won't go into them here unless you ask me to) rose to a point of unacceptability for me, and after the KIT training session I decided to check out what the ex-premies had to say for a change. The explanations passed from the organization and other premies smacked too much of being a one-sided untested cliché to hold water any longer for me.

I started reading EPO posts last fall with a very objective viewpoint - 'they better be convincing'. Like you, I was also put off initially by the scoffing sarcasm. But my questions and disillusions (drips) were burning strong enough to sit me through that initial reaction and read on. I started with Michael Dettmers' posts as I knew he would be a credible, intelligent source who worked closely with M for many years and could tell us a little more of what the real Mj, the man behind the scenes, was really like. Then I read the reports of how Jagdeo's pedophile activities and Mj's hit and run accident were dealt with. Then I read John Macgregor's post, another credible behind-the-scenes witness.

The next day I sent an email message to Mj asking him to reply directly to me on what he himself had to say about all this. I specified I needed a relevant answer from him, not just another line like 'What you seek and dig up is what you will find', or 'Seek perfection only in Knowledge, not in me or my organization' - these lines are simply not good enough any more. I ended the message saying if he doesn't respond to me, then I will consider the accusations true and will withdraw my support for him and Elan Vital. To this day, I have still not received a reply.

Since then I've been reading about cults and mind control techniques, as well as reading the thoughts and understandings of other posters here on the Forum. I see it as a very healthy thing to do, since true questioning and reasoning is what digs beneath surface lies. The premies I knew were unwilling to engage me on this, but here it is allowed.

To you and other premies coming here for the first time, my advice is you won't and don't have to agree with everyone and everything said here. There are many diverse viewpoints expressed here. You can be as selective as you like in your reading. But I heartily encourage you, if you do have something to question that doesn't sit right with you, to not be afraid to dig into it and examine something you suspect is an 'untruth'. The experience of Knowledge was never meant to repress our human right to question and to derive our OWN conclusions.

If you have any questions you'd like to ask here, please feel free to do so. I'll understand if you don't want to discredit Mj and Knowledge - we're both allowed to choose what we believe.

All the best,

ChrisP

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 20:37:51 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: ChrisP
Subject: ****Best Of**** nice post, ChrisP [nt]
Message:

Hi Premie Ji. I'm actually glad for you that you are deriving enjoyment from Knowledge and feeling gratitude to M. I say that because I felt the same beautiful feelings for many years as a premie. Actually, today would be my 28th anniversary of receiving K. Myself, not wanting to disturb that nice experience, I never bothered to read EPO for a long time.

'I'm appalled to read what you think about my master.'
So what do I think now? I gradually became disillusioned with the cult-like tactics of the organization around Mj as well as the unnecessary personality idolization (I thought a little less arrogance would greatly suit him, even if he is the master). Over the last year, a series of unanswered questions (I won't go into them here unless you ask me to) rose to a point of unacceptability for me, and after the KIT training session I decided to check out what the ex-premies had to say for a change. The explanations passed from the organization and other premies smacked too much of being a one-sided untested cliché to hold water any longer for me.

I started reading EPO posts last fall with a very objective viewpoint - 'they better be convincing'. Like you, I was also put off initially by the scoffing sarcasm. But my questions and disillusions (drips) were burning strong enough to sit me through that initial reaction and read on. I started with Michael Dettmers' posts as I knew he would be a credible, intelligent source who worked closely with M for many years and could tell us a little more of what the real Mj, the man behind the scenes, was really like. Then I read the reports of how Jagdeo's pedophile activities and Mj's hit and run accident were dealt with. Then I read John Macgregor's post, another credible behind-the-scenes witness.

The next day I sent an email message to Mj asking him to reply directly to me on what he himself had to say about all this. I specified I needed a relevant answer from him, not just another line like 'What you seek and dig up is what you will find', or 'Seek perfection only in Knowledge, not in me or my organization' - these lines are simply not good enough any more. I ended the message saying if he doesn't respond to me, then I will consider the accusations true and will withdraw my support for him and Elan Vital. To this day, I have still not received a reply.

Since then I've been reading about cults and mind control techniques, as well as reading the thoughts and understandings of other posters here on the Forum. I see it as a very healthy thing to do, since true questioning and reasoning is what digs beneath surface lies. The premies I knew were unwilling to engage me on this, but here it is allowed.

To you and other premies coming here for the first time, my advice is you won't and don't have to agree with everyone and everything said here. There are many diverse viewpoints expressed here. You can be as selective as you like in your reading. But I heartily encourage you, if you do have something to question that doesn't sit right with you, to not be afraid to dig into it and examine something you suspect is an 'untruth'. The experience of Knowledge was never meant to repress our human right to question and to derive our OWN conclusions.

If you have any questions you'd like to ask here, please feel free to do so. I'll understand if you don't want to discredit Mj and Knowledge - we're both allowed to choose what we believe.

All the best,

ChrisP


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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 22:51:54 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: Just two questions
Message:

You are a rare premie here that will say that Maharaji is The Lord.

Does that mean that he can behave in any way he wants?

If you were really a proud premie who love'd their Lord, you would not post anonymously.

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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 22:56:30 (EST)
From: Another PPJ
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: So why do you call yourself Jethro?
Message:

That's posting anonymously Mr Fisher.

Unbelievable!

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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:10:18 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Another PPJ
Subject: FYI
Message:

I changed my name by deedpoll in 1996.

So who are you then?

And by the way what is your opinion about Maharaji's handling of the Jagdeo affair?

Jethro

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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:14:11 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: PS to another PPJ
Message:

Now apologize!!!

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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 22:47:51 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Proud Premie Ji
Subject: If you were really THAT proud
Message:

you wouod not be anonymous.

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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:01:47 (EST)
From: This is totally
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: beyond belief!!!
Message:

MR ANONYMOUS

tell you what. Ask your forum administration to have a detailed explanation on the top header of this forum explaining the meaning of the word HYPOCRITE

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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:12:16 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: This is totally
Subject: You must learn to
Message:

control your wild horses.

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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:26:03 (EST)
From: A completely realised PPJ
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: errr...right Edd... umm..Jethro
Message:

Just keep the vaseline handy for when the friction builds up!

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Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 23:44:49 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: A completely realised PPJ
Subject: WOW 3 premies in one night!
Message:

Actually I have beautiful skin......but anyway I'll send you some preparation-H so that you can stop scratching.

Since you are completely realised then you won't mind us lesser beings asking for your name.

So who are you then?

Are any of you REALLY proud?

And by the way what is your opinion about Maharaji's handling of the Jagdeo affair?

The others have ignored the question.

Jethro

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:09:17 (EST)
From: CRPJ
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Re: WOW 3 premies in one night!
Message:

I dunno,

What is your opinion about Mike Jeffrey's handling of the Carol Ciano affair - 30 years after Woodstock happened?

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 03:37:50 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: CRPJ
Subject: to CRPJ
Message:

As you probably don't realise, some us believe that the failure of Maharaji to deal with allegations of molestation of children and rape of at least one child by one of Maharaji's most senior repesentatives should be known to all those who are thinking of getting involved with Maharaji.

You and the other premies who ignore this question are as guilty by ommission as is Maharaji.

No doubt you are in agreement with the comments made by your peer catweasel to the raped victim, Abi.

Premies continual refusal to address this and other issues is amply recorded on the net, for people to make ionformed decisions.

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 07:38:03 (EST)
From: I am guilty by ommission?
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: In that case...
Message:

you are hereby charged as guilty to being an accessory to the unsolved disappearance of Carol Ciano.

What have you done about it Mr Justice?

You don't give a monkey's arse about Carol Ciano do you?

I think you moral zealots are going to refuse to deal with this issue.

If so, A black mark will be recorded against your names in the annuls of the Supreme Headquarters of International Justice and Salvation for All lnstitute.

We will be watching eagerly for your actions on this matter.

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 04:53:42 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Jethro, you're talking to David Roupell
Message:

Proud Premie Ji was another person with the apt browser named SPINWAY. The other posts were all made by David Roupell.

Too funny I just read a post of his signed DR below claiming that he never posts over here anymore but that he was informed by someone else that he had been mentioned here.

I think I prefer Proud Premie's honesty. Roupell lies with every word including AND and THE - pathological - oops, sorry, I'll be charitable - brains warped by belonging to twisted cult.

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 07:31:02 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Jethro, you're talking to David Roupell
Message:

'Too funny I just read a post of his signed DR below claiming that he never posts over here anymore but that he was informed by someone else that he had been mentioned here.'

Well David Roupell or not, they are doing a great service towards the ex-premie cause by exuding their smelly egos all over the place.

It's a beautiful day here and I just bought myself a new suit.

Be well

Jethro

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