F arti -:- How is lotus feet kissing rationalised? -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:31:13 (GMT)

__ Cynthia -:- Premies don't rationlize, they crave.... -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 15:09:28 (GMT)

__ __ Gary Epton -:- Premies don't rationlize, they crave.... -:- Mon, May 07, 2001 at 03:18:06 (GMT)

__ Brian Smith -:- How is lotus feet kissing rationalised? -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 08:42:07 (GMT)

__ __ F arti -:- So his toilet must be getting a human body -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 11:04:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ Brian Smith -:- A provocative thought -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:45:38 (GMT)

__ such -:- Foot Fetish cult. Toe jam football... (nt -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 15:59:40 (GMT)

__ __ such -:- + in India,musicians pranam to their music guru(nt -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 16:43:59 (GMT)

__ Bob -:- How is lotus feet kissing rationalised? -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 15:20:46 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- Or singing Arti to'Superior Power in Person..'(nt) -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 12:55:09 (GMT)

__ __ Way -:- Knowledge is carefully packaged -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 15:38:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ such -:- yes, the fluctuations of org political correctness -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 17:20:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ gerry -:- You did it again, such, yer suchabanana -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 01:12:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ suchabanana -:- gErRy.Funny you should mention.On Human Respect... -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:59:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Gary Epton -:- HEAR! HERE! - yet another *BEST OF FORUM* (nt) -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 05:24:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- pedantic and condescending -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 19:09:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ such -:- gErRy, fine, now take a piss somewhere else. LOL -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 22:49:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- That's a rather vulgar characterization, swamiji -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 01:23:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ such -:- vulgar? You referred to my female friend as a c--t -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 04:22:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Sorry I'm not as en -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 16:14:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ such -:- gerry, let's get some things straight here -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 20:31:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- whaaat? -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 20:57:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ such -:- ok, now. (ot -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 22:11:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- ok, now. (ot -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 22:15:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- No way -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 05:31:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- On Human Respect...very well put, Such -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 17:57:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ F arti -:- They are not going to mention arti and darshan -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 11:12:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ PatC -:- You did it again, Way! Beautifully said. -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 02:53:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ Roy -:- Great world marketing synopsis! Gary / Way nt -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 01:06:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ Gary Epton -:- Knowledge is carefully packaged -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 18:48:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ such -:- m. is Costco Guru, Inc. (nt -:- Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 17:30:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- LOL - great post, Gary -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 23:49:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ Bob -:- carefully packaged -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 17:49:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ Way -:- Hey, Mel -:- Wed, May 02, 2001 at 15:44:26 (GMT)

Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:31:13 (GMT)
From: F arti
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: How is lotus feet kissing rationalised?
Message:

I would like to know how western premies rationalise the kissing of his feet.What does this mean?It is not like premies go and bow down to their bosses and spouses and kiss theur feet.What is the message being given here.I just do not get it.Is it out of respect or is to be submissive to the lord?What does m think about it all.He probably enjoys having people (upwards of 4,000) kiss his feet.He is probably like a rockstar on stage being empowered by his fans.
It is all a bit weird when you actually look at it objectively.Obviously it is kept secret from outsiders as well.Could you imagine a premie turning up for work after being to Amaroo and telling their workmates that they had just had a wonderful experience.'oh what did you do?'I went and kissed my gurus' feet.I think they would be phoning the funny farm to come and take them away.
Are there any premies that would like to comment on this?Please don't tell us how beautiful it was.We already know you would say that.

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 15:09:28 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: F arti
Subject: Premies don't rationlize, they crave....
Message:

I don't know about the new PWKs, but the old timers never had to rationalize darshan or arti. I never did. Kissing his feet was always the ultimate ''gift.'' The greatest excitement prior to a program in the 70s was toe kissing. I remember the rumors that when he gave darshan he actually grew in physical size from all the ''love'' he got in the darshan line. So many myths and lies.

By the time I was totally programmed, which didn't take long for me, I was ready and eager to kiss his feet. It was all explained in the aspirant program at the time (1975). At the 1975 Hans Jayanti, Crapper Rawat still allowed aspirants to toe kiss and I actually had a very powerful experience prior to getting k. I never thought it through because I had already been programmed not to doubt or question. I was so hooked on m, that my practice as an aspirant was to sit for an hour each morning and night and listen to his tapes or read his satsang in prepping for the k.

Obviously, the Royal Shithead does it for the money. Maybe for the adoration, too, who knows what goes through his pickled, screwed up mind? But for premies, Big D-Darshan, or toe kissing has always been considered the ultimate. Singing Arti directly to him was a mindless expression of all the love I felt for him, which I now know was the icing on the proverbial cake of programming. Both darshan and arti reinforced in me that I could never leave him for fear of leaving the living lord. I was trapped by him and didn't know it.

I felt the same darshan cravings after being away from him for 16 years. Yet when I returned in 1997 the props had completely changed and the duct tape was securely on the mouths of premies, who were no longer called premies but PWKs.

I had been around earlier in the game though, and had spent actual time with him so I started to question this gag order and all the changes, but it in no way changed my programming about wanting that Big ''D.'' In private, old time premies spoke about Amaroo or India as ultimate destination points because they knew he gives toe kissing sessions in those places. I also experienced a lot of guilt because I no longer had the energy or desire to drop my life and spend all my money to travel those distances. I started to get very angry at him.

I don't know what premies say to newcomers about this now, but there must be some slick explanation because the fuckhead certainly has been not-so-subtly leaning toward personal devotion to him in his speaks--the same crap that took place after the infamous summer of 1976--when we, in his opinion, all became very BAD PREMIES (translated: bad people). If I remember correctly, during some of his '76 and '77 tours through the US he withheld toe kissing which for the true believer was torture and punishment. That's when the shit hit the fan and premies moved into ashrams in droves--especially once the 707 project was underway. He has to have what he wants, after all. The selfish bastard.

More devotion, more money. That's the name of the game for Rev. Doo-Bad. No, I never rationalized devotion--I was too busy obeying his agya and losing my real life.

Now that I know he never cared one bit about me, I am truly pissed that I would scrounge the last dollars I had to place in those darshan tunnel envelopes, or love card that I bought for him. Money which should have gone toward my food for the long drives home from those extravagant ''programs.'' (No wonder they call them events now.)

I'm still recovering from years and years of his mind-fuck. At least I don't feel guilt anymore, just a lot of anger!

Cynthia

 

 

 


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Date: Mon, May 07, 2001 at 03:18:06 (GMT)
From: Gary Epton
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Premies don't rationlize, they crave....
Message:

Yeah, actually he called us 'two-faced monsters' at that program in Atlantic City in '76. Well, I guess it takes one to know one.
Gary

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 08:42:07 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: F arti
Subject: How is lotus feet kissing rationalised?
Message:

I used to think this about darshan (I was told so by the mahatmas as well) that I was receiving the divine energy of the universe that flowed from M's feet into my body.

The mahatma's told me that in order to fill a bucket with water it had to be held below the tap. So in order for the devotee to experience the blessings and grace of the master one had to bow beneath the lowest part of the gurus body as the divine energy of the master flowed down from his head and out through his feet.

I obviously bought that crock of shit as I lined up for the feet kissing thing every chance I could.

I also rationalized darshan by thinking that I would get a free ride or a boost into the upper registers of consciousness, that I would become a realized soul faster on the osmosis factor of direct contact with the living lord, more horseshit.

What I was doing was acting like a mindless zombie, expecting and imagining an experience that I fabricated based on prior programming. I was also being subserviant and doing the premie peer pressure thing by publicly prostrating before m, thereby surrendering my free will to him. It was a calculated mind fuck and I went for it, until I woke up.

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 11:04:18 (GMT)
From: F arti
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: So his toilet must be getting a human body
Message:

In its' next incarnation,seing as though it is under the master and getting all that energy flowing into it.Sorry,I could not help it.

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Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:45:38 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: F arti
Subject: A provocative thought
Message:

But the reality of it is the toilet is getting the same thing we got for so long........ shit on

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Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 15:59:40 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: F arti
Subject: Foot Fetish cult. Toe jam football... (nt
Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 16:43:59 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: such
Subject: + in India,musicians pranam to their music guru(nt
Message:

nt

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Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 15:20:46 (GMT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: F arti
Subject: How is lotus feet kissing rationalised?
Message:

Must be quite old. Jesus washed the feet of the disciples and they were shocked by this. So it is not just Indian.

brings up another question:

How is ass kissing rationalized?

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Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 12:55:09 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: F arti
Subject: Or singing Arti to'Superior Power in Person..'(nt)
Message:

nt

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Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 15:38:40 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Knowledge is carefully packaged
Message:

Enjoyinglife is a premie-run website designed for premies. They published reports on all four days of Amaroo, yet they never mentioned that Arti was sung on the last day. Why not? That would have been very interesting for the premies back home.

Everybody commented on the music and the comedians, but all were mum on darshan. Hmm?

The Miami program next week will start off with the 'Foundation Videos' which basically are instructions for premies on how to talk about Knowledge to new people. There is a constant concern by Rawat to carefully package his message.

Buy why? Is the truth ashamed of itself? Does beauty need to be explained? Does love require careful choreography? Does harmony come with instructions?

The poor premies really don't know what to say and what not to say. They don't know if they sing their Lord's praises if it will please him or annoy him. The rules of public expression keep changing. And the status of darshan and arti keep changing. Not to mention what Rawat wants to be called - nobody knows if he is now a teacher or not, a leader or not, a figurehead or not, a Perfect Master or just a master, or just a premie himself, or just 'you know who.' He seems to think that the premies have goofed it all up, but it is entirely his own fault because of his 30 years of contradictory proclamations, his packaging and re-packaging.

Why the never-ending adjustments? Why not just let it all hang out? It would be alot easier.

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 17:20:53 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: yes, the fluctuations of org political correctness
Message:

Dear Way,

As the times and cultural attitudes have changed, and as cult awareness has increased, so too have cults and media massagers repackaged their messages accordingly - karma chameleons. In the process, they feel it necessary to periodically reindoctrinate their followers. Many of the followers don't apparently see the discrepancies in throwing out cult concepts, lingo and rituals that were formerly presented to them as divine.

Yet, as we have seen [time and again], when the cult is threatened, the charismatic cult leader will revert to the previously open [but now hidden] practices to reinstill loyalty among the troops. The layers of samsaras [mental impressions] run deep in long-time devotees, and many of them feel they are somehow part of a big divine secret being played upon everyone else - and they thereby feel that, in singing arti or doing the toe-kissing they are enjoying the now publicly 'forbidden fruit' in the West.

Apparently, 1-2 exes also learned their dogma lessons well in the cult ashrams, and so they do the flip side: try to impose - and even enforce - a rigid and ridiculous dogma of their own personal politics and cosmology as 'politically correct' doctrine here, too.

As far as I'm concerned, being an ex-premie means being Free -- Free to think as one pleases, without some beevis and buttheads trying to tyrannically presume to institute or ritualize any new doxology or inquisition of those who don't agree with their own ideological suppositions.

[Anyway, that was also on my mind this morning, as I was sitting in my office preparing a lecture about cultural revisionism in scientific historiography. I have also observed the ebb and flow of the tides of political incorrectness for many years within every educational, governmental, and non-profit organization and/or institution I have ever known or been associated with...]

Peace and lentils,

PS May run the final installment of the Halley thingy soon. am way busy, busy, busy...

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Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 01:12:45 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: such
Subject: You did it again, such, yer suchabanana
Message:

Nice post, but this part,

Apparently, 1-2 exes also learned their dogma lessons well in the cult ashrams, and so they do the flip side: try to impose - and even enforce - a rigid and ridiculous dogma of their own personal politics and cosmology as 'politically correct' doctrine here, too.

weakens it considerably.

I don't see Jim or anyone doing as you say. Why can't you allow Jim the same freedom you want for yourself?

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Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:59:35 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: gErRy.Funny you should mention.On Human Respect...
Message:

Dear gerry,

Look, brother:

1. I didn't single anyone out in this post. But, see, apparently someone comes immediately to mind, huh?

2. I respect and tolerate anyone's right to believe in God or to be an agnostic or atheist, whatever.

3. I also respect and tolerate anyone's right to meditate, or not.

4. I respect anyone's right to pray, or not.

5. I respect anyone's right to subscribe to evolution theories, creation theories, creative evolution theories, devolution theories, symmetric theory, Big Bang theories, whatever. Furthermore, there is no single politically correct theory of evolution or creationism -- there are rather a myriad of such variations and offshoots. Prove any one of them conclusively. Who can? Nobody here. To condemn and degrade others for their own views on this subject (as has been done here) is tyrannical and nonsensical.

If we're discussing the guru or a book [for example], sometimes I personally enjoy humour that does not make the other person I am conversing with here the actual target. For instance, Sandy mentioned a book he read - ok, I am familiar with some of that stuff. I did my SNL skit without degrading him personally as the target of the humour, in the process. Rather: the Urantia book, the ascended brotherhood, etc. Years ago, I read a lot of books on those subjects. Plus, now some of these ascended master channels and gurus are on cable tv [e.g. Elizabeth Claire Prophet]. You will notice that I didn't say 'yer so -----in' stupid' etc. That would be a personal attack, gerry. There's a difference.

Now, I certainly think it's fair play here to rip a greedy guru - who is plainly in dysfunctional denial. I think those who come with clear good intentions merit our courtesy, however, and those who are at least polite likewise deserve some measure of civility -- even if we disagree with their opinions or beliefs.

On the other hand, what I do not respect or countenance is the attempt by anyone to behave harmfully or sadistically to those who are clearly in pain, trying out their wings, expressing their own sense of freedom or vulnerability, or questioning their previous belief systems.

I also think that it is patently uncivilized, anti-social behaviour, and counter-productive to routinely engage in demeaning buzzwords and expressions that stereotype other people here, to degrade, abuse and humiliate other exes and premies for sport - or out of sheer malice, to degrade those who are receiving professional/medical counselling, therapy, or using medication, or to rotely dismiss other's points of view with profanities (or blatant racist and sexist terms). That's not just politically correct, either -- that's called being a civilized being in the modern world.

Further, the usage of language IS important, gerry. Sure, it's a lot easier to tell someone to bleep off or call them a vulgar name, or label anything we disagree with as 'new agey', etc. than to simply take the time and care to practice civility and intelligence -- or to just exercise a little self-restraint and practice sensibility.

I also don't respect aggressive, nasty bullying of the meek. Never have, and never will.

These are my opinions, too, of course, gerry. But, I have observed that Many others here have shared and repeated these same concerns regarding civility and empathy. For, when there is no empathy or compassion for others, when we do not recognize or respect the humanity in others, then we are practicing the path of despicability.

I believe in a forum free from fear -- yes, it is a fact that many exes and questioning premies lurk but don't post here, for that very reason; they simply do not wish to be degraded as human beings, or insensitively savaged, or have their wounds or scars reopened or rent asunder by the fangs of any would-be jackals or hyenas in human form.

Of course, these expressed concerns may even seem idealistic to some. However, to me, they are the mark of whether someone is civilized, a genuine human being, or worthy of engaging in any conversation. In every place where I have worked in the last 15 years, such factors are considered a matter of basic, common decency -- and necessary for general social harmony, well-being, and productivity.

After all, do we want to be snakes and hyenas, or respectable men, Gerry? I mean, we talk about the abuses of the cult; what about modes of abuse in communication here, too, and in the other areas of our lives? Same thing. Have we learned nothing about how to treat our fellow human beings? Sure, there is the easy low path that leads to the disfunctional and filthy stye, and then there is that road of fellowship, a little harder, but which leads on high -- where we treat each other respectfully as brothers and sisters, and politely acknowledge each other's respective rights to her/his own individual perceptions and inherent identity.

Even in democratic republics, it is said that your right to freedom ends where another person's nose [or face] begins. Same thing with words here, gerry. The written word can be a powerful tool - however, once written, it may be even harder to retract. Words and written communications can also be abused; frankly, I don't see the need for an ex-premie Mein Kampf or an oppressive mentality that instills fear, suspicions, loathing or misapprehensions among all these good and decent people.

Now, rather than respond curtly or dismissively, see the time I have taken to communicate my thoughts here to you?

Ok, better sign off here now.

Peace and lentils,

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 05:24:55 (GMT)
From: Gary Epton
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: HEAR! HERE! - yet another *BEST OF FORUM* (nt)
Message:

Well said, as usual.

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Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 19:09:35 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: gkl1@techline.com
To: suchabanana
Subject: pedantic and condescending
Message:

You didn't have to 'single anyone out' with your post, Such. (What's your real name anyway, and why are you hiding? I dislike talking with 'ghosts.')

You made it obvious with comments such as 'good thing someone's on vacation, te he he.' And of course, with your famous, violent, and physically threatening posts to Jim in the very recent past. So you're just being dishonest here, swamiji.

How much 'civility' must we expend on recalcitrant, verbose gasbags who have nothing better to do than to deliberately bait people here, albeit in a thin veneer of civilty not unlike your own.

What you call 'abuses of communication' have been just the thing that changed many a person's mind about rawat and his cult. I have seen dozens of posts here thanking Jim for his uncompromising stance. This happens frequently, in spite of his sometimes grating style.

But I don't attempt the futile and needless task of reforming Jim. And you are not going to change him one iota, all your admonishments and threats aside.

I don't need a lecture about democratic rights, either. I am well versed in the subject. Jim is not violating anyone's rights here but you seem intent on denying him his right to express himself as he sees fit.

There are as many communication styles as there are people, in case you haven't figured that one out for yourself. I certainly don't claim to know what moves people. And moving people out of the cult is the reason we do this, right? Jim is effective. Is that what really bothers you about him?

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Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 22:49:15 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: gErRy, fine, now take a piss somewhere else. LOL
Message:

Look, bro:

When you apparently weren't around or paying attention, someone and I already sorted out about 90% of things.

Also, te he he, I was just kindly teasing poor Sandy - 'cause someone would have probably given him a hard time for posting certain heretical, alleged 'new agey' things.

Also, ok, what may be effective for some people clearly does NOT work on Many others -- too 'grating'. But, then, that requires some understanding, empathy, and sensitivity - which is evidently sorely lacking.

And, yes, if deliberately provoked and jerked around by somebody, well, then I am also a master of gamesmanship and gnarly karmic instruction. But I think we've dealt with that already now, man.

Now, if you don't like talking with 'ghosts', then don't bother posting to 'em. Simple, easy. So, myob, on that account. I will tell you something, though: Swami Suchabanana was actually my nickname [it began as a bro roommate's reference to a most generous endowment that got lots of gorgeous babe action]. gErRy, I don't know you, either, except for what you write here. I mean, we never had some good beers together or went to a football game, or lived in the same 'shram or premie house. I play on MY Terms, too -- Not yours, miragey's, or anyone else's anymore.

Talk about 'baiting' people! C'mon - Get ReAl!, gErRy - look in the MiRrOr YoUrsElf! [how 'bout that gEnTleManLy gEm you posted: 'show me your tits', for starters. Sounds like a crude redneck logger in a backwoods stripper bar.]

Lastly, I do like providing some healthy levity here and sharing occasional genuine moments of my own insights or inspiration. That's essentially why I'm here, gErRy -- to be of service to others. I don't need this site for myself at all; it takes up time, and it's sometimes a distraction. I've got all kinds of other things happening in my life. Oh, yes -- I've got a life, too, brother. But, after having my openness and honesty abused and ripped off by others for many many years, I am rightfully protective of my personal space and boundaries, and most particular about the company I keep.

Which reminds me, I gotta get back and do some work now...

Pees and lotsa lavs,

your banana buddy

PS I was truly sorry to hear what happened to your spouse. There are a lot of crazy and reckless drivers out there. I hope she's feeling a Lot Better now. I always watch out for those young'uns with the big-wheel pickups, especially. Kinda makes a body want to buy a Humvee.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 01:23:57 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: such
Subject: That's a rather vulgar characterization, swamiji
Message:

When you apparently weren't around or paying attention, someone and I already sorted out about 90% of things.

 

I'm glad to hear you stopped threatening people with physical violence. That's a step in the right direction. Now perhaps you could grant me the same recognition. That is, that the oh so horrible 'tits' comment I made (hmm,how does that compare with your threats of volence?) was written to a person I now get along quite well with, you'll be happy to know.

o, te he he, I was just kindly teasing poor Sandy - 'cause someone would have probably given him a hard time for posting certain heretical, alleged 'new agey' things.

OK anything you say is 'funny' and 'kind.' Got it.

Also, ok, what may be effective for some people clearly does NOT work on Many others -- too 'grating'. But, then, that requires some understanding, empathy, and sensitivity - which is evidently sorely lacking.

This paragraph me no capichey, prof. Wanna try again?

And, yes, if deliberately provoked and jerked around by somebody, well, then I am also a master of gamesmanship and gnarly karmic instruction. But I think we've dealt with that already now, man.

Yes, master, we have dealt with it. Can I ask a question? How tall are you?

Now, if you don't like talking with 'ghosts', then don't bother posting to 'em. Simple, easy.

Not so easy, swami. Like it or not, I seem to be engaged in this conversation with you.

So, myob, on that account.

Why, what are you afraid of? Why isn't the identity of someone I'm reading and posting to on a regular basis my business?


I will tell you something, though: Swami Suchabanana was actually my nickname [it began as a bro roommate's reference to a most generous endowment that got lots of gorgeous babe action].

Are you drunk or something? This is one of the stupidest things I've read on this forum in a long time. Wait, 'stupid' may not be the right word. I'll get back to you on that.

 

gErRy, I don't know you, either, except for what you write here. I mean, we never had some good beers together or went to a football game, or lived in the same 'shram or premie house. I play on MY Terms, too -- Not yours, miragey's, or anyone else's anymore.

Lay off the 'gErRy' will you? I'll post as gerry or Gerry or gErRy under my own terms, thanks.

Talk about 'baiting' people! C'mon - Get ReAl!

What would you call it then, swami, you're the guy with all the answwers.

gErRy - look in the MiRrOr YoUrsElf! [how 'bout that gEnTleManLy gEm you posted: 'show me your tits', for starters. Sounds like a crude redneck logger in a backwoods stripper bar.]

I think we've dealt with that already now, man. ('Already now' wince, wince.)

Lastly, I do like providing some healthy levity here and sharing occasional genuine moments of my own insights or inspiration. That's essentially why I'm here, gErRy -- to be of service to others. I don't need this site for myself at all; it takes up time, and it's sometimes a distraction.

Well well well. We agree on something. I've done every bit as much of that as you have and more of it. True, I've gotten into some rough fights, but that's life. I'm not a swami and so I'm prone to such things. Ten years on the streets tends to make a person a little testy.


I've got all kinds of other things happening in my life. Oh, yes -- I've got a life, too, brother. But, after having my openness and honesty abused and ripped off by others for many many years, I am rightfully protective of my personal space and boundaries, and most particular about the company I keep.

Yes Such, we all know how wonderful and busy you are. Were DO you ever get the time to give darshan?

Which reminds me, I gotta get back and do some work now...

Pees and lotsa lavs,

your banana buddy

PS I was truly sorry to hear what happened to your spouse. There are a lot of crazy and reckless drivers out there. I hope she's feeling a Lot Better now. I always watch out for those young'uns with the big-wheel pickups, especially. Kinda makes a body want to buy a Humvee.

Thanks for the sentiments about Patty and the rest. Oh, and she was struck by a fifty something woman (co-employee.) I'm sure it's all good advice but I'm really not the violent type. I leave that to you well endowed gnarly karma masters. (snicker)

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 04:22:47 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: vulgar? You referred to my female friend as a c--t
Message:

gerry,

who you kiddin' here, anyway?! You called my honourable friend a c---. Remember?

If you wanna talk with me, cut the crapola. I also saw You flame JH with a 'F--- Y--' JH tag on every post he did one week here.

threats? tehehe You're quite mistaken, rather a cordial invitation in response to repeated provocations. Just between 2 acquaintances, anyway, neither of whom is you.

Who cares how tall? but, Definitely tall Enough...

If you wanna mince words, go bake some pie, or play Scrabble with somebody.

If you wanna know who you're talking to, wait and see - maybe. But that's strictly on a need-to-know basis, and frankly, with your bad attitude, right now you clearly Don't need to know.

Well, if you got some beef, go get some buns and have a barbecue in the backyard with the fam, man. It's still Friday night! Geez Louise, already...

Ciao. The drummer and B-3 player just pulled up for a session.

Peace and lentils,

PS Oh, I see you like snickers, too.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 16:14:40 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Sorry I'm not as en
Message:

gerry,

who you kiddin' here, anyway?! You called my honourable friend a c---. Remember?

No I don't remember. And when did you start using British spelling and affectations?

If you wanna talk with me, cut the crapola. I also saw You flame JH with a 'F--- Y--' JH tag on every post he did one week here.

Sure I did. At least I did it to his face and didn't wait until he was on vacation to take little passive-aggressive digs at him. I guess that was my whole point with this discussion. I started out saying I liked your post but that the not-so-subtle swipe at Jim was uncalled for and weakened your post. Now I think it was just plain cowardly.

threats? tehehe You're quite mistaken, rather a cordial invitation in response to repeated provocations. Just between 2 acquaintances, anyway, neither of whom is you.

So what if it wasn't me. YOU threaten Jim and now you are dissembling.

Who cares how tall? but, Definitely tall Enough...

Tall enough for what? I just wanted to know how bad your Napoleon complex really is, that's all.

If you wanna mince words, go bake some pie, or play Scrabble with somebody.

I don't mince words and you know it. And I hate scrabble.

If you wanna know who you're talking to, wait and see - maybe. But that's strictly on a need-to-know basis, and frankly, with your bad attitude, right now you clearly Don't need to know.

I really don't give a shit but everyone here seems to know who you are and I'm sure someone will fill me in so, no sweat.

Well, if you got some beef, go get some buns and have a barbecue in the backyard with the fam, man. It's still Friday night! Geez Louise, already...

Thanks for the good wishes but I'm vegetarian now and the thought of eating beef literally makes me gag.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 20:31:33 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: gerry, let's get some things straight here
Message:

r.e. spellings and 'affectations'? I was born in England, then raised in a number of other countries thereafter. So, if you don't like it, go pull some wings off flies -- or hopefully something more constructive.

When I was gone for 3 weeks, 'somebody' and pals posted malicious Lies: that I was supposedly having gay sex for years with the mahatmas. Talk about cowardly! Now, cordially inviting someone to back up their lies with their guts is not a threat - but an honourable tradition among gents for receiving satisfaction. Also, the other party Never 'fessed up or apologized, but I Did - twice. So, who's the Bigger person now, mister?! Also, what I did was clearly a point of instruction. (In retrospect, however, the big bosses suggested I use the 'quip', not the 'whip.' But I Don't take baloney from anyone - Anyone. Got it?!)

Napoleon complex? What utter poppycock. I'm not into illusory empires or mirages. How 'bout you, gerry? I Know Your Style - You got a serious toilet talk (or 4-letter word) complex? Hey, then you should hook up again with miragey. He loves toilet talk, too - of course, his is politer than yours. (snicker) So, clean up your own act!

now, r.e. vegetarian. me, too, even before the cult. Had a lil' calf - my animal friend. Came home from elementary school one day. Where's Willy? Can't hear his lil' bell out in the pasture or behind the barn. At dinner: 'Daddy, where's Willy? I can't find him anywhere.' 'He's on your plate. You're eating him.' 'Waaaaaaaaa'... I don't eat anything that had a face, or eggs.

Peace and lentils,

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 20:57:33 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: gkl1@techline.com
To: such
Subject: whaaat?
Message:

r.e. spellings and 'affectations'? I was born in England, then raised in a number of other countries thereafter. So, if you don't like it, go pull some wings off flies -- or hopefully something more constructive.

OK It now looks like a cheap shot--sorry.


When I was gone for 3 weeks, 'somebody' and pals posted malicious Lies: that I was supposedly having gay sex for years with the mahatmas. Talk about cowardly! Now, cordially inviting someone to back up their lies with their guts is not a threat - but an honourable tradition among gents for receiving satisfaction. Also, the other party Never 'fessed up or apologized, but I Did - twice. So, who's the Bigger person now, mister?! Also, what I did was clearly a point of instruction. (In retrospect, however, the big bosses suggested I use the 'quip', not the 'whip.' But I Don't take baloney from anyone - Anyone. Got it?!)

Who did this? If this is true this changes everything. I thought you wrote that post (the one which was removed by the FA for threats) just because you didn't like his style. Please fill me in on this--this is important to me. I need to have it spelled out, if you can. Email if necessary?

Napoleon complex? What utter poppycock. I'm not into illusory empires or mirages. How 'bout you, gerry? I Know Your Style - You got a serious toilet talk (or 4-letter word) complex? Hey, then you should hook up again with miragey. He loves toilet talk, too - of course, his is politer than yours. (snicker) So, clean up your own act!

OK napolean complex is a person of short statue who compensate for his height with braggadocio. This other stuff 'go back to Miragey' is silly, such. I'm not really into scatology and please don't characterize me as being so. It's kinda like saying you had gay sex with mahatmas, although I understand it's a matter of degree.

now, r.e. vegetarian. me, too, even before the cult. Had a lil' calf - my animal friend. Came home from elementary school one day. Where's Willy? Can't hear his lil' bell out in the pasture or behind the barn. At dinner: 'Daddy, where's Willy? I can't find him anywhere.' 'He's on your plate. You're eating him.' 'Waaaaaaaaa'... I don't eat anything that had a face, or eggs.

Yikes.

Peace and lentils,

 

You too.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 22:11:22 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: ok, now. (ot
Message:

gerry,

but if I email you, keep it to yourself. agreed?

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 22:15:16 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: such
Subject: ok, now. (ot
Message:

Yes, agreed.

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 05:31:48 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: such
Subject: No way
Message:

I don't believe Jim Heller had anything to do with starting or participating in spreading rumors about your having sex with mahatmas. It's just too far out of character. I've never known Jim to lie. I have met Jim in person and unless he admits it or someone proves it, I say this is as much a smear job as was apparently done on you. It's possible someone wants you to believe it was Jim. Have you thought of that?

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Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 17:57:41 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: On Human Respect...very well put, Such
Message:

Apparently the ancient Greek word ''hubris'' originally meant to touch someone inappropriately; to push or shove someone. Then it came to mean to insult someone verbally. A rude person was said to have ''hubris.'' Only later did it come to mean what we now understand it to mean - arrogant egotism.

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 11:12:44 (GMT)
From: F arti
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: They are not going to mention arti and darshan
Message:

on the enjoying life site as there are some newborn premies,remember 25 people got the gift just before Amaroo.I can guarantee most of them have never heard of arti or darshan.I also know that they were not told about the cost of going.It would have been free for them to attend.They cannot be scared off too early in the peace ( so to speak)It is best to let them find out slowly and then they will also let it become part of the brainwashing.Cults are very clever.

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 02:53:15 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: You did it again, Way! Beautifully said.
Message:

You said: ''Is the truth ashamed of itself? Does beauty need to be explained? Does love require careful choreography? Does harmony come with instructions?''

What more can I add except to say that I wish to god that Sandy would go back and do synchronized participation and see for himself how You Know Who and his You Know What are being slyly and deceitfully marketed.

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 01:06:24 (GMT)
From: Roy
Email: z
To: Way
Subject: Great world marketing synopsis! Gary / Way nt
Message:

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Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 18:48:52 (GMT)
From: Gary Epton
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Knowledge is carefully packaged
Message:

It goes something like this: A message can only be as clear as the one giving it. Either m or EV honchos decided that for the sake of so-called 'clarity' and consistency only m would speak about it. This is called 'quality' control. This also applies to the revealing of the techniques. As with all things in the latter part of the 20th century and into the 21st century there is a trend towards homogenous uniformity. No matter where you grow up in the States and Canada, for instance, there is the phenomena of the 'big box' stores and shopping malls and fast food outlets that are almost identical whether you are in Albeqerque (sp?) or Vancouver. So there is now a kind of MacDonaldization of the presentation of m&k. Instead of just receiving a burger and fries and going on your merry way however you must recognize the supremacy of the *Chef* along with your order of charbroiled *keys to the kingdom of heaven*. As with all franchises with a strong head office you are not allowed to deviate from the 'master plan'. M or EV is also attempting to replicate the efficient systems of successful franchises with corporate trainings, etc. Only problem is m is not getting the repeat and new business he hoped for and a lot of the people eating at his restaurant are complaining of a severe case of Montezuma's revenge.

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Date: Thurs, May 03, 2001 at 17:30:59 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Gary Epton
Subject: m. is Costco Guru, Inc. (nt
Message:

nt

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Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 23:49:21 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Gary Epton
Subject: LOL - great post, Gary
Message:

Urug 1-jar-a-ham needs careful, 'quality-controlled' product placement and salestalk not to lose market share. Exactly.

Shame about the customer feedback bit...

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Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 17:49:38 (GMT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: carefully packaged
Message:

It might be interesting to get a transcript of this on the ex premie website, of course with highlights how it was done in the past

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Date: Wed, May 02, 2001 at 15:44:26 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Hey, Mel
Message:

Mel,

Did you manage to attend Amaroo? I know you were planning on it? I'm so curious. Did you manage to get retuned and connected to the Master? Or did the drops keep falling?

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